<?xml version='1.0' encoding='UTF-8'?><?xml-stylesheet href="http://www.blogger.com/styles/atom.css" type="text/css"?><feed xmlns='http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom' xmlns:openSearch='http://a9.com/-/spec/opensearchrss/1.0/' xmlns:georss='http://www.georss.org/georss' xmlns:gd='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005' xmlns:thr='http://purl.org/syndication/thread/1.0'><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068706509301981683</id><updated>2012-02-16T11:46:29.732-08:00</updated><category term='JS4225 Week 2'/><category term='js4216 Noh RP proposal'/><category term='JS 3210'/><category term='JS4216 Noh'/><category term='JS 4216 WEEK 2'/><category term='Week 2'/><category term='JS4225 Research Paper'/><title type='text'>random dissertations</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Kuroaki</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14680548748518574067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.geocities.com/living_at_13/rukiaflower.jpg'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>7</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068706509301981683.post-4426468433720097970</id><published>2007-09-12T15:18:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-09-12T15:23:02.701-07:00</updated><title type='text'>trying to decide!!!</title><content type='html'>ok i know i wrote up a proposal about power politics in Noh. but initially i wanted to write on yuugen and iki. but then again I don't know exactly what i want to write on yugen and iki. and i figure that if you want to do japanese aesthetics you'd be so much better of if you can read japanese or classical japanese since those things are pretty ancient. well of course the same goes for power politics, but at least i think politics being a politics and a study that is a very well westerners have always been interested in politics everywhere so it's easier to find english stuff most probably. plus, i have no clear idea what kind of thesis i'd do - i only thought that iki was born out of yugen but yeah, if i wanted to really do that i'd have to be able to find traces of yugen in iki that isn't just my own imagination, maybe like terminology - and if i'm doing that it MUST be in japanese.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;plus lbc also did yugen and hana and all that sooooo i think i should just avoid aesthetics as long as ican't read japanese. not at an academic level anyway.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;thennn i half thought of doing religion but never really worked out thesis and points.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;sooo yeah even though i fonud some yugen, iki and aesthetics books i think i'll just stick to taiko since i already wrote out a general structure and there ARE some books i can use. soo two plus points. ok.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7068706509301981683-4426468433720097970?l=whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/feeds/4426468433720097970/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7068706509301981683&amp;postID=4426468433720097970' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/4426468433720097970'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/4426468433720097970'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/2007/09/trying-to-decide.html' title='trying to decide!!!'/><author><name>Kuroaki</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14680548748518574067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.geocities.com/living_at_13/rukiaflower.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068706509301981683.post-2343197057521522824</id><published>2007-09-12T14:32:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-09-14T07:37:31.377-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='js4216 Noh RP proposal'/><title type='text'>taiko noh</title><content type='html'>I plan to investigate and argue that Noh can and WAS a political tool. might it be conscious or subconscious.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;political tool meaning - using noh to assert your power from the view of the ruling authorities point of view.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Points:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;1) An avenue to show that you were the big shot, asserting your power by saying "hey, I'm the Shogun. By the way, watch Noh." and then everybody will have to watch Noh because otherwise they'd be incurring your displeasure. Kind of a practical yet very abstract thing as well, although I can't yet get my mind as to exactly what sense. macam it's a very practical way to subjugate the more powerful, potential rivals, but at the same time it doesn't have the feeling like the whole tokugawa alternative edo living thing. Why ah? should ask hislop. is it precisely because it's entertainment so you don't normally associate entertainment with power politics, although it IS very real and very present? so is it just a problem of stereotypical perception? this is like ehhh can't remember whose name, and toyotomi also when he forced everybody to indulge into noh.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2) An direct media to propagandize yourself. taiko noh!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Toyotomi. duh. although he's the only example but yet because he DID do it so it shows the possibilities that dictators and rulers have even in the realm of the so called performing arts. it's a very creative way.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;2a) to make yourself a living legend - hideyoshi immortalizing himself.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;3) segregation of classes - despite they all sitting in the same theatre, ultimately they were separated and if you're a peasant being forced to sit in the rain i think you pretty much can't ignore who's boss.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;4) and because there is a direct connection between the noh troupes and the shogun who patronizes them, as well as daimyo, and since hte patronage was very important for the survival of noh in that period (I AM NOT DOING CONTEMPORARY NOH FOR THIS REASON. IT IS ALMOST IRRELEVANT POLITICALLY TODAY, ALTHOUGH I COULD WORK HARDER AND TRY PROVING THAT AS WELL ONE DAY.) so it was like it would have commonsensically (but of course, don't fall into the common sense trap) made the noh troupe be careful to make sure that they preserve the power of their shogun, both to ensure that patronage is carried on, and in order for that to happen, they lick their boots to keep them happy (although of course, they don't NECESSARILY have to lick boots to keep them happy, but let's use the example of the Zeami licking boots play)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;yah I think for now that's all i can think of.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7068706509301981683-2343197057521522824?l=whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/feeds/2343197057521522824/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7068706509301981683&amp;postID=2343197057521522824' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/2343197057521522824'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/2343197057521522824'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/2007/09/taiko-noh.html' title='taiko noh'/><author><name>Kuroaki</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14680548748518574067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.geocities.com/living_at_13/rukiaflower.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068706509301981683.post-7339723407309207628</id><published>2007-08-25T04:33:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-25T04:49:48.343-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='JS4225 Research Paper'/><title type='text'>Research Paper Draft JS4225</title><content type='html'>Okay I thought of doing this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"How does religion shape Japanese identity?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are two ways: I also want to argue that perception is important when it comes to addressing issues of identity. So I might split this into two - identity from without (by people who are other than Japanese) and from within (people who are Japanese).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There are going to be lots of limitations, firstly I am going by mainstream identity. I mean, we work on the assumption that most Japanese identify themselves as Japanese. So my question is does religion, or a lack of it, contribute to a common identity?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think maybe the perception thing will be repetitive here....or maybe not. we will see how. because from outside ppl might identify J'ese with Shinto while it might not be the case today, especially as young people might not think of themselves as Shinto anymore. or it might be slightly different, like just that Japan is the birth place of Shinto etc.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I want to use this because religion is rarely brought into the discussion when looking at Japanese identity or nationalism like what makes me japanese kinda thing, because it's just not a popular thing, but i think that it might contribute in some ways, maybe even negatively, and explain stuff like why Islam and Christianity or Hinduism is not popular in Japan because it is not associated with Japan.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay something like that.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;My alternative is i want to study naturalised people - people who have come to work in japan and end up naturalising as Japanese citizens like Milton! hurhurhurhur. But I don' tknow what to investigate. What I'm curious is they will never be Japanese by blood, which is something that cannot be ignored because we can see that being Japanese by blood is something that a lot of Japanese feel is important (kanako-san!) and personally I feel that it is a race thing also. A blood thing la. So.....it's like there's a difference between being Japanese and being called japanese only by name, by the state. So how do they feel?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But basically that's all I am wondering. I don't really know what other issues I would examine.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;maybe i should read the newsweek article first.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7068706509301981683-7339723407309207628?l=whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/feeds/7339723407309207628/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7068706509301981683&amp;postID=7339723407309207628' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/7339723407309207628'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/7339723407309207628'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/2007/08/research-paper-draft-js4225.html' title='Research Paper Draft JS4225'/><author><name>Kuroaki</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14680548748518574067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.geocities.com/living_at_13/rukiaflower.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068706509301981683.post-2324718801993937539</id><published>2007-08-20T06:13:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-20T22:42:42.560-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='JS 4216 WEEK 2'/><title type='text'>Why I Choose Watching Over Me by Iced Earth</title><content type='html'>Point No. One: The FEELING&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The story that the song narrates is actually quite different. The song is about a guy who lost his best friend or dunoe what and then he grieves for his friend. But yet I chose this song because the story is filled with emotion like this song is. Furthermore as a Noh play, it is classified as a &lt;em&gt;ninjou mono &lt;/em&gt;or a human feeling play. Just as the emotions are felt very strongly in the play, the lyrics of the song "I feel it once again/It's overwhelming me" also emphasis on the strength of emotions felt by the...singer?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And the general tone of the song is a very depressed, dark song, so I think it matches the mood of the story quite well although the stories of the play/story and the song isn't that similar.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Point No. Two: The MEANING&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The song is quite positive-ish, about the friend dying and him feeling like the friend is watching over him like an angel. At the very least the darkest part is feeling guilt over his friend's guilt. But I feel that there is some sort of a parallel although in a kind of contrasting way, because in the story there is some semblance of spirits watching, but evil spirits watching over or possessing the pregnant empress.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Point No. Three: The similar feelings&lt;br /&gt;In both, the main figures Shunkan and the survivor of the song are lamenting over their fates ("Why did he have to die?" and '"How can this have happened?" He....wept and lamented..') and they also feel regret (Shunkan at leaving his daughter behind, regretting not seeing his son longer in the story, "We lived reckless, he paid the price.."). They also have a sort of a reflection/repentance over their feelings, as the singer wonders if he is selfish "Am I selfish for feeling this way" and Shunkan finally just succumbing to death and praying until he died.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Point No. Four: The Death thing&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Death is looming in the song, and so it looms in all plays, as either Shunkan dies (in the story) or we know he WILL die anyway (the plays). And we know that after he dies, his spirit will still be there in the context of the Japanese beliefs of the dead that the spirit still hangs around possessing people if it's not at peace, so.....yeah, the continued existence of the spirit after death is similar to what the singer feels.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lyrics to Watching Over Me by Iced Earth&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had a friend many years ago&lt;br /&gt;One tragic night he died&lt;br /&gt;The saddest time of my life&lt;br /&gt;For weeks and weeks I cried&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Through the anger and through the tears&lt;br /&gt;I've felt his spirit through the years&lt;br /&gt;I'd swear, He's watching me&lt;br /&gt;Guiding me through hard times&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;[chorus]I feel it once again&lt;br /&gt;It's overwhelming me&lt;br /&gt;His spirit's like the wind&lt;br /&gt;The angel guarding me&lt;br /&gt;Oh, I know, oh, I know&lt;br /&gt;He's watching over me&lt;br /&gt;Oh, I know, oh, I know&lt;br /&gt;He's watching over me&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We shared dreams like all best friends&lt;br /&gt;Blood brothers at the age of ten&lt;br /&gt;We lived reckless, he paid the price&lt;br /&gt;But why? Why did he have to die?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It still hurts me to this day&lt;br /&gt;Am I selfish for feeling this way?&lt;br /&gt;I know he's an angel now&lt;br /&gt;Together we'll be someday&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I feel it once again&lt;br /&gt;It's overwhelming me&lt;br /&gt;His spirit's like the wind&lt;br /&gt;The angel guarding me&lt;br /&gt;Oh, I know, oh, I know&lt;br /&gt;He's watching over me&lt;br /&gt;Oh, I know, oh, I know&lt;br /&gt;He's watching over me&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7068706509301981683-2324718801993937539?l=whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/feeds/2324718801993937539/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7068706509301981683&amp;postID=2324718801993937539' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/2324718801993937539'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/2324718801993937539'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/2007/08/why-i-choose-watching-over-me-by-iced.html' title='Why I Choose Watching Over Me by Iced Earth'/><author><name>Kuroaki</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14680548748518574067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.geocities.com/living_at_13/rukiaflower.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068706509301981683.post-6542836282850508194</id><published>2007-08-20T04:24:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-20T04:26:24.735-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='JS4216 Noh'/><title type='text'>Shunkan, Noh play version</title><content type='html'>I just want to record down this poem by Hitomaro, who is like my ALL TIME FAVOURITE LOVE POET.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;By Kumano Bay&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Thrive the double sand flowers&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;No less manifold&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;Are my heart's piled up longings&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;But I can never meet you&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;&lt;/em&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;em&gt;-&lt;/em&gt;Poem 496, Man'yoshu&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7068706509301981683-6542836282850508194?l=whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/feeds/6542836282850508194/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7068706509301981683&amp;postID=6542836282850508194' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/6542836282850508194'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/6542836282850508194'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/2007/08/shunkan-noh-play-version.html' title='Shunkan, Noh play version'/><author><name>Kuroaki</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14680548748518574067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.geocities.com/living_at_13/rukiaflower.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068706509301981683.post-8456557540752158865</id><published>2007-08-19T05:27:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-19T06:58:11.836-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Week 2'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='JS 3210'/><title type='text'>Nationalism and Pan-Asianism in Sources of Japanese Tradition by ???</title><content type='html'>A very confusing paragraph by Tokutomi Souho:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Peace was the servant of wealth; wealth progressed, indeed, made extraordinary progress. This wealth, however, was all outside the compass of the feudal warrior class. Peace not only contributed to the "production of wealth," it brought the "joys of wealth". And not these alone, but also the "worship of wealth." Therefore, the social structure, which was centered on the feudal samurai, could not but tend to focus on the attainment of wealth....Conditions of society being like this, even without the irruption of the problems of foreign affairs, revolution could not have been avoided."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;in Shourai no Nihon; Kousaka, ed., and Abosch, trans., Japanese Thought in the Meiji Era, p. 204&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Okay, so what I get from the first two lines is that wealth was becoming very important in that time, but because a warrior was a warrior, it was beyond his reach? This is pretty much a common fact...so no probs there, if I haven't made a mistake in interpretation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then there's the whole peace thing, which can be kind of common sense, sort of like if you're rich and fed you're generally peaceful and happy man. Therefore, because the social structure was all about the samurai, who couldn't happily concentrate on wealth (only the merchants can do that) so ....why does that mean a focus on the attainment of wealth? Am I missing something implied here? Okay, let's assume that the focus on the attainment of wealth is just common sense and has nothing to do with the samurai class - although I might be able to twist it a bit and say maybe he meant it had to do with the WHOLE class structure and not just the warrior class - so yeah, okay, in a way people concentrated more and more on wealth - and then why suddenly conditions of society being like this, revolution could not have been avoided?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;what, because of the poor getting poorer kinda thing, like peasants starving and everything? and needing to pay taxes although they were dirt poor to samurais who weren't doing a thing, and blablablabla? Because everyone started to think about money and obviously if you weren't a merchant you were on the losing side? Okay, then maybe I guess the guy's point is that if people are starving and money is important because money can feed you, then even without Perry's black ships starving people would have ...revolted? rebelled? anyway.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7068706509301981683-8456557540752158865?l=whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/feeds/8456557540752158865/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7068706509301981683&amp;postID=8456557540752158865' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/8456557540752158865'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/8456557540752158865'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/2007/08/nationalism-and-pan-asianism-in-sources.html' title='Nationalism and Pan-Asianism in Sources of Japanese Tradition by ???'/><author><name>Kuroaki</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14680548748518574067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.geocities.com/living_at_13/rukiaflower.jpg'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7068706509301981683.post-7046706390221720467</id><published>2007-08-17T01:51:00.001-07:00</published><updated>2007-08-19T05:35:03.044-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='JS4225 Week 2'/><title type='text'>The Coming of Nationalism - Ross Poole</title><content type='html'>okay i have MAJOR PROBLEMS.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So Poole says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"A second problem in Gellner's account...is to take sufficient note of the tension between nationalism and other characteristically modern modes of thought."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He says that the way Gellner describes the 'spirit of modernity' would automatically mean that there would be no place for nationalism. Because Gellner says:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"...modern rationality imposes a 'universal conceptual currency'" because "modern rationality...assumes that there is 'one coherent world' which is the final arbiter of truth and it investigates this world in causal and analytical terms..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But YET, for nationalism, "each nation is its own world, and each natioanl language provides its own specific and unique mode of access to that world...." so according to Poole, "Gellner does not show how the modern world generates and sustains meanings of this kind..."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But then again, I think that this can be solved. I mean, sure Gellner was a bit overenthusiastic with his universal conceptual currency for the WHOLE WORLD thing. But I think Gellner actually has a valid point IF he limits his universal thing to the nation which is meant to think that they are all sharing the same image of the nation, as Poole says is needed. Like if everyone thinks the same, if they think that they're sharing the same conceptual currency, then yeah, okay. fine, we've got our everyone-thinking-they're-thinking-the-same-thing thing that Poole says we need, and that Gellner and Poole won't be at odds with each other. It seems that the mistake Gellner REALLY made is not distinguish WHO is looking at WHAT at WHAT TIME. Like if we limit the currency thing to within the nation, and not looking at THE WHOLE WORLD AND ALL ITS NATIONS, then I think it is possible to draw links between the 'spirit of rationality' and nationalism.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But he made the mistake of extending it to the whole world, so obviously that's not going to work because we obviously have different nations in the whole world so immediately Poole shoots him down for it, which you can't really blame Poole. So I think what we need to do is try to remember that there are different points-of-views which are important if you want to keep this discourse clear in your mind without going insane. IE you can either see it from the point of view of within the nation, or outside, ....or there are probably some more possible POVs. The funny thing is that, Poole doesn't try to suss out that MAYBE this might be what Gellner wanted to say, except that he maybe got a bit overenthusiastic. At least that's what I think, because when I read what Gellner argued it sounded plausible FROM WITHIN the nation's view, but yet Poole shot it down from WITHOUT. And Gellner's over-enthusiasm doesn't help either.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;okay. I think that's about it for now.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/7068706509301981683-7046706390221720467?l=whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/feeds/7046706390221720467/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=7068706509301981683&amp;postID=7046706390221720467' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/7046706390221720467'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/7068706509301981683/posts/default/7046706390221720467'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://whenmyheadisspinning.blogspot.com/2007/08/coming-of-nationalism-ross-poole.html' title='The Coming of Nationalism - Ross Poole'/><author><name>Kuroaki</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/14680548748518574067</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='32' height='32' src='http://www.geocities.com/living_at_13/rukiaflower.jpg'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry></feed>
